10/05- 12:00PM EST
Oh Mugen
Souls, still trying to prevent me
from beating it. I had hoped to have a
review for it this week, but alas it was not
to be. Look for it next week! Anyway,
there's been a lot of gaming and RPG related
news this week, such as the excited Etrian Odyssey
IV localization news. Also the Ys IV remake
for Vita is now out and sitting in my Vita.
I haven't played a ton yet, but can tell you
that fans of Ys Seven will be quite
happy. I'll have more thoughts soon!
Anyway, on to your letters!
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Short & Sweet
Wheels
Excellent,
I'm always up for some rapid
fire hot topic responses, have
at it!
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1) Digital
Devil Saga
Wheels
An
interesting choice, I'm guessing
most would respond with Persona
as the best sub-series.
Having experienced a fair amount
of the first Digital
Devil Saga, now I can
see the appeal. Taking the demon
collecting out of the equation
and focusing on simpler
character advancement, the
series provides a more
traditional RPG experience while
keeping with the great story
elements of the series. That's
not even mentioning the great
art style and music. I'd go with
Devil Survivor myself,
but this is a fine choice!
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2)Yes
Wheels
I
agree. Valkyria Chronicles got
a lot of word of mouth buzz and
appeared to sell a good amount
after its release. Of course
this likely means it was selling
for a lot cheaper, but I still
feel there was enough buzz there
to easily justify a sequel on
PS3. I mean, they had the engine
in place already! Instead it got
shrunk down onto PSP and the
results were not as good. With
some kind of browser card game
based on the series now out, it
doesn't look like Sega has
abandoned it. Here's hoping we
see a PS3/Vita Valkyria
Chronicles in the
future.
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3)VI
Wheels
Well
you'll get no argument on that
here. Final Fantasy VI
is one of the finest RPGs of all
time. Who's your favorite
character?
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4)Somewhere
Wheels
As
good an answer as any. With many
other HD collections and updates
coming out, Final
Fantasy X seems to be
taking much longer than any
other HD updated
before it. At this rate the Final
Fantasy XII HD I'm
hoping for wont show up until
the PS4.
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5)Shadow
Hearts
Ciao
Sasser
Wheels
A
fine choice, and a collection I
would love to buy. I haven't
played these games, but have
heard many good things. Sadly,
they're way too expensive these
days. An HD collection would be
a prefect way for people who
missed out to give them a try,
and give the developers some
money instead of random ebay
sellers.
Thanks for answering the hot
topics!
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Galactic Emporer of
Content
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Mr. Heavy Wheels, it's been long enough that
I have plenty to say!
Ready?
Wheels
Setting
phasers to "massive response"
mode.
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Okay. Let's start with Kingdom
Hearts: Deadly Destructive Demonstration
or whatever its actual subtitle was.
Except for that session trying and failing
to play Chain
of Memories, this is my only
experience with the series. It did not
make me a fan. As you seem to be one,
though, why is Mickey a King? What is
Organization XIII and why should I
care? Why do I fight nonspecific
beasties and almost never enemies taken from
the Disney source material I'm traipsing
through? Does Sora have any character
trait other than "happy guy who is either
stupidly optimistic or ignorantly
stupid?" Why would Sora and Riku, who
presumably have triumphed over things in
these other games I really don't care to
experience soon, need to undergo dream
training for some other Keyblade mastery
level that this game just made up? Is
the camera rotten in every other game of the
series?
Wheels
Kingdom
Hearts 3D is probably the
worst place to start the series
on. Sure it has some text that
goes over the previous games,
but to me that feels more like a
way to remind those who have
played them and not a way to
completely explain the games. Kingdom
Hearts has gathered a
rather convoluted back story. I
can answer some of these
questions. You shouldn't care
about Organization XIII overly
much and I don't even recall
what their point was. t was
largely covered in that 358/2
Days (a game I hate).
Mickey is a King from the start
of the series and it is never
really explained! No, Sora never
really gains other character
traits. Earlier games didn't
exactly take beasties from the
Disney sources, though they did
offer some heartless more tuned
to each world and bosses taken
from the source material. The
Keyblade mastery level idea was
actually from Birth By Sleep!
I have no idea why the
characters suddenly need to do
this. Finally, no the camera
isn't always that bad -- it can
be mitigated if you have a
circle pad pro for your 3DS!
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All in all, it made me want to watch the
Disney movies again instead of experiencing
another Kingdom
Hearts anytime soon. Where's
that Fantasia
copy....
Speaking of movies, connect Bed of Roses
(1933) to Cosmic Fantasy!
Wheels
That's
a shame, I would recommend you
at least give the original game
a shot on PS2. The older games
had more enemies that fit in
with the various locations, and
plenty of battles against
classic villains! The newer
games have gotten a bit away
from that and switched the focus
too much to original characters.
Even though I'm having a blast
with KH3D, I can get why
you couldn't get into it. Then
again, there's nothing like
sitting down and watching Fantasia
so I can't really say that you
shouldn't just do that!
Also. my brain is fried from Mugen
Souls so I will save that
challenge for later.
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Then there's this Tales of the Abyss I
recently experienced - I guess it vanished
from the index so fast you didn't
notice. Overall a strong game,
yes. You've gotta tell me whether the
rumors I hear of Tales games loving to pull
its annoying extension is true,
though. The game had very effectively
run through its major issues, and then a
whole bunch of villain resurrections
happened to make what felt like it should
have been an epilogue drag the thing
out.
Wheels
Oh,
artificially extending game
length is essentially a long
running Tales series
staple. I don't know if the
developers think their games
need to be a certain length or
they'll hurt sales or what, but
it certainly hurt the overall
quality of Abyss. You
know I greatly enjoyed that
game, but if it were at a
minimum 10 hours shorter with a
tighter design for the end of
the story it could have been a
true classic. Someone needs to
tell the Tales
developers that not every RPG
needs to be sixty hours long.
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I may not have touched it in the years
since, but I nevertheless had a quite good
time with Tales
of Phantasia on GBA. Word is
that it's a rather lacking version of the
game, but I did everything and toppled Dhaos
after spending something like 70 hours in
it. Is the game really so outmoded by
what came later?
Wheels
Oh
it is, by leaps and bounds. Not
just in the battle system, but
in characters, story, and
dungeon design as well. Some of
the story elements in later
games can be as derivative as Tales
of Phantasia, but never as
bad as that game was. I don't
think the GBA version is that
bad for the record -- I think
every version of the game is
awful! Not sure how you put that
much time into the game, but
glad you had a much better time
with the game than I did.
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I noticed something disturbing. After
TwinBahamut and I touted Super Robot Taisen:
Original Generation so effectively,
you started playing it. Then the
progress reports, they stopped! What
happened? If you say you were no
longer entranced by the game, well, that's
just mind-boggling. Had you even
reached Bian Zoldark and his Valsione?
You'd better, later you can look forward to
the R-Gun Rivale tormenting your people
Wheels
Sadly
(as often happens), I got
distracted by newer, shinier
games. In this case, I got
really into Devil Survivor
and played the heck out of it.
With that filling my tactical
needs, poor Super Robot
Taisen got neglected. I'll
get back to it though! I didn't
stop playing it because I
disliked it, I can guarantee you
that.
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What do you know about Shadow Hearts?
The breadth of your experience just might
reach that far, and I'm going to move into
the series soon. Beyond what I already
did with Koudelka
that is, where I discovered something
fundamentally incompatible for me: random
battles and horror. I'm sorry, but if
random battles were terrifying then I would
have run away screaming long ago, so
attempting to blend survival horror with the
RPG was already doomed on that front with
me.
Wheels
Sadly,
I know absolutely nothing about
that series. With many of the
titles now relatively expensive,
I could never justify giving
them a try. I'm hoping they'll
show up in an HD collection, or
at least as PS2 classics on PSN
so they can be had for less.
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Here I was, all set to play Front Mission
2 on the PS2. The stupid
Magic disc won't register it as a proper
piece of software though. I didn't
want to employ emulation, but I may have to
in order to get this actual piece of
software to work. Screw you and your
import difficulties, Sony.
Wheels
Thankfully,
with a decent computer PS2
emulation is quite easy and
generally speaking all on the
level, especially given that you
do have a PS2. I wont go into
detail here, but a quick Google
search for PCSX2 will find you
all the info you need to get
going. If you want to try some
other methods to get the disc
working on your actual PS2 I can
probably help you there as well!
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How go the efforts to play Valkyrie
Profile? Have you reached
chapter 4 and Lezard's fascinating fixation
on Valkyrie as an object of desire
yet? Whose tales of woe and death have
you encountered thus far?
Wheels
I
haven't gotten that far yet, as
like SRT other games
have distracted me from this
effort (like that retroview of Lunar
Sega CD I keep forgetting
to work on by actually playing
that game). It's on the short
list of older games to play. I'm
close to finishing another PSP
RPG and will probably focus on
it next.
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Okay. I just reviewed Suikoden.
I won't go into why it didn't floor me so
much, except for the inventory. That
inventory management just got on my
nerves. It really, really got on my
nerves, especially when I had to figure out
who had something I wanted to sell but the
game just rearranged my party for a plot
point.
Wheels
Oh,
I can understand not liking Suikoden
I a huge deal. The game
hasn't aged tremendously well.
Still, I found it to be a very
interesting and original game
with concepts that are further
developed in the immediate
sequel. It is much better served
as a companion title to Suikoden
II than it is on its own.
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Story wise I can definitely respect what it
was trying to do, I just don't think it
entirely succeeded. I suppose people
might shout about spoilers if I get to
specific, but the ending really surprised me
in a not-so-good way when the true villain I
figured would be the final boss...
wasn't. Not that said villain was
actually as intimidating as I expected,
given her scant appearances and not
particularly deep motivation which boiled
down to "I have done nothing else but search
for this Rune over 300 years, why was it so
blasted hard to find?"
Wheels
That
could have been one of the many
plot threads intended to be
resolved later on in the series
that never was. Suikoden I was
a bit rough around the edges in
many respects, this being one of
them. Again, this game works
best as a companion to the next
one, if for no other reason than
you get to see the origins of
some characters that show up
again in II.
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Ahem. Anyway, wouldn't it have been
nice if Konami had released the Saturn
version of Suikoden concurrently with
the PS1? Instead it only happened in
1998, when there was no way it would cross
the Pacific.
Wheels
That
would have been nice. I don't
know if there's anything
different about the Saturn
version, but I would have loved
to play it on that system. Of
course that would mean I
wouldn't have a save file to
import into II!
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Based on half an hour of Suikoden 2
I can say it's looking better than the first
to me, though that translation does suck and
Konami's editors at the time do not deserve
further employment. More to come
later.
Wheels
Oh
my, is there more to come. Suikoden
II is an incredible
game in a number of ways, and
really fulfills the promise of
the first game. I think I've
said many times that I spent a
huge amount of money getting a
copy of that game, and don't
regret it one bit. I wont go
into further for fear of
spoilers, but you should enjoy
the villains in this one quite a
bit more. I hope you enjoy it!
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Hey, I played Dark Cloud 2! It's
much better than the first! I still
didn't love it because apparently I needed
to spend twice the time I actually did with
the game in pursuing its
theoretically-diverting side content, which
I didn't! Oh well. It did look
nice.
Wheels
Outside
of the original Dark Cloud
Level-5's signature has been
fantastic graphics. Doesn't
sound like you exactly loved Dark
Cloud 2. It would
have to work hard to be worse
than the first game! I'm still
going to ignore it, because I
just don't think it'll be my
thing. Strangely it didn't make
it to greatest hits status like
the first did. I wonder why that
is?
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Put Elizabeth Taylor in an RPG, won't you?
Wheels
Well
seeing how she was in a Lassie
movie, let's cast here in
some kind of Harvest Moon
type Lassie RPG as the
main character. The player would
go on adventures with the dog
and help out around the farm.
Depending on how the player
progresses, Lassie could die at
the end of the game or it could
end in some kind of heartwarming
fashion.
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It is my understanding that some people
swear by Legend
of Dragoon being a really good,
even great, game, while others (yourself
among them) detest it with a fiery
passion. I've never touched it.
Should I?
Wheels
No,
avoid it like the plague! It is
boring and largely derivative of
a lot of RPGs of the time. The
battle system is especially
boring and takes forever to get
you anything to use outside of
regular attacks and items. Yet
somehow it still tops sales on
PSN. I don't get it!
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Is Legend
of Legaia something I should stick
on the must-play list?
Wheels
I
haven't played it, but my
brother loved it! Apparently it
has a battle system that takes a
lot from fighting games? Might
not be a must-play, but
something interesting to try at
the least.
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Were you ever curious about CIMA: The
Enemy? Don't be! It
sucks! The game reminds me of Steal Princess
in some respects, given the emphasis on
figuring out puzzles the right way. It
manages to be one gigantic escort mission,
though! The only RPG parts to it are
killing enemies in front of the stupid
people you're escorting causing them to like
you (which mostly has no effect) and being
able to upgrade your equipment whenever the
game says you can. Hey, do you like
escort missions using GBA controls with
people who can and will get killed because
there is no recovery time between
hits? You DO? Then this is your
game, forget what I said and find it
immediately!
Wheels
OK,
adding CIMA to the list
of games to never buy no matter
what.
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Where have the Castlevania games we cover
gone? Dangit, I liked all the
Metroidvania games. Even Harmony of
Dissonance I must've liked since I
played the whole thing, dull though it
was.
Wheels
Well
they did the whole reboot of the
series on HD consoles, which was
a good game but I guess not RPG
enough for us to cover (it
wasn't Metroidvania). Fear no
though, as a 3DS entry is headed
our way and appears to be more
in that style. Hopefully this
will fill your needs! I could
never get into them much past Symphony
of the Night but respect
that style.
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Connect Bright
Leaf with Vixen 357!
Wheels
I
shall ... at a later date!
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Do you know anything about Jade Empire
that I should also know? I'm
definitely interested in it, you don't have
to sell me on finding the game.
Wheels
You
should know that you travel
between locations by playing a
top down shooter. I can't make
this up! It's a good game,
though not BioWare's best effort
by a long shot. Find it for a
decent price and I'm sure you'll
be able to extract plenty of
enjoyment from it.
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How long should I wait to experience Mass Effect,
to ensure the furor over its conclusion has
passed and I will be safely able to judge it
without rose- or - mud- tinted glasses?
That's enough for now, actually!
JuMeSyn
Wheels
Oh,
feel free to jump into it right
now. The hoopla has pretty much
died down. Even if it hadn't, I
would still say to jump into it.
Mass effect is all about
the amazing journey and how
personal it becomes for each
player. That's why there was so
much anger over the ending,
because everything before that
point had been so good (note
that I liked the ending despite
its issues). You really
shouldn't worry too much about
how it all comes to a close. Mass
Effect may not have all
the stats and skill trees we
often love in RPGs, but it makes
up for that tenfold with player
choice. You will not regret
playing this series!
See you next time, and as always
thank you for the great
questions!
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My thinking with Nintendo is not only Last Story
and Fire
Emblem. Golden Sun, Pokemon,
Mario
rpgs, publishing Dragon Quest, Xenoblade
ect.
rpgs are a big part of what they do.
Wheels
Yeah, I can see your point. Though
many of these aren't nearly as big
as its non-RPG titles, Nintendo
still has been putting a lot of them
out. Their publishing of the Dragon
Quest series outside of
Japan since the release of Dragon
Quest IX was a large
endevour on its own. Thing is, I
don't know that its so much RPGs are
a big part of what they do as it is
just keeping a diverse porfolio.
Don't want all your ducks in one
pond! Regardless, we RPG fans have
certainly benefitted.
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Namco just puts out alot of really great
stuff like Tales of the World 1-3
-Alan
Wheels
Please tell me this was a typo. I
have played each of these three
games a good deal and they are not
good! The first Tales
of the World especially was
a mess of a game. They're boring
dungeon crawlers trying to hide this
fact with copious amounts of fan
service. Please people, don't import
these games! Import good Tales
games like Tales of Destiny 2
Remake and Tales
of Hearts!
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See you all next week!
-Wheels
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4. Where the heck is Final Fantasy X HD?
5. What PS2 RPG series other than Final Fantasy
would you like to see an HD collection of?
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